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R. Steve McCollum
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So I have been using PE for a while now, and would like to get the feedback...good (if there is any) and bad...
Here are my key stats - let it rip - I look forward to the abuse....
Tournaments - Full
Hands Played: 4193
VP$IP: 16.29%
PF-Raise: 6.82%
(FL-See) Aggr: 2.50
(FL-See)(LP): 2.06
PF-Cold Call: 4.42%
Steal Blind Attempt: 25.00%
Fold SB to Steal: 65.71%
Fold BB to Steal: 78.38%
(FL-See) Win: 36.16%
(FL-See) Fold: 55.65%
(FL-See) SD-SEE: 32.34%
W$SD: 58.08%
Thanks in advance for all the great feedback
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overall i think your stats aren't too bad, if i'm looking at it right these are just for tournaments if so
i would like to know your numbers for (lp)(pfraise) and (pf)(re-raise)
a couple of things is see are, your pfraise is a bit low, would like to see it in the 9-10 range, which some will say is still low
and also your aggresstion numbers higher which in turn will get your flseenwin numbers up into the mid forties where they should be
so overall i would say more aggression is needed
now i will defer to paul for a proper beat down
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i would like to know your numbers for (lp)(pfraise) and (pf)(re-raise)
(LP) PF-Raise: 9.26%
(PF) RRaise: 0.92%
You were correct - these are 95% SNG's (Single table) and the rest MTT
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Hey glimmerman,
Overall, not bad stats for a beginner. If your not a beginner then (cough) (cough) nevermind.
Like Boot says, you need to get your PFR up. You should be at a minimum of 9 and higher if you can. Where you really suck is after the flop. I need you to look next time you are involved in a hand at the bottom of the table. There should be 3 options down there. They would be marked "Call" "Raise" and "Fold"
A Fl See, Sd See of 32% is way too high. If you can get this down to around the 20% range, you will be alot more successful at the tables.
Another point I like to make is I did some comparisons of stats by adding a players FL-See win with the W$SD. Most of the good players will have a total over 100 and yours is under 95. Raising your W$SD is not very realistic so obviously the only way to hit the magic mark would be to get your FL See win up. This is done by getting more aggressive after the flop.
In tournaments, you should have a FL See aggr about double where you are now. Grow some balls and you might end up being more than just an average poker player after all.
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Paul, that is an interesting stat you've uncovered, the +100 one. Does it have a name?
glimmerman, thought I'd add my 2c.
I think your W$SD is great, seems that around 60 is an important achievement. And, the VP$IP is good, too.
The PF-Raise is a bit too low.
We have the same steal blind, which I'm sure is a bit too low. I'm working to increase mine. And, we have about the same fold to steals, which again I think could be improved, but are about average.
But, here is where we really differ, PF-CC. Mine is 12.11. In early/full I like to play a lot of cheap pots in position. Otherwise, known as limping with junk. It can be a real gold mine.
And, your FL-See Win is way too low, while your FL-See Fold is way too high, in my opinion. I guess the message is obvious. Looks like more aggression will fix both of these. Unless, you are playing too many hands out of position, which might account for some of the problem.
Good Luck.
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I will be starting with PE soon, just waiting on my money to come in from my old pokersite. I have been reading alot of the posts on here about analyzing other peoples stats. I have never truly used a stat tracker like this, but I pay extremely close attention to my play and with the little bit of poker tracker I have used I feel I have a pretty good idea of where my stats are.
Paul, when I read your suggestion about this person needing to get his FL-see aggression up to around 5, that seems crazy to me. From what I have read your FL-see aggr is higher than that. From what I have seen in the past, my FL-see aggr is around 2.2. At one point when I did use pokertracker I was classified as a rock and was working on moving more toward a shark. At the time, my FL-see aggr was more like 1.5. I made a conscious effort to play more like a shark. Basically I worked on getting my PF-Raise to around 8% and my FL-see aggr to above 2.0. I promptly lost everything I had on PP, as meager as it was, within a few hours. I was playing well within my limits and on a level where I normally won about 3bb/hr.
So my question is this: With having that high of a Fl-see aggr don't you really limit yourself in your ability to make different kinds of plays on people? With it being that high, you pretty much never call. If you never call then I can't see where you could possibly check the nuts to an overly aggressive player and set a trap for him. That is where I seem to be the best, setting traps for people like you.
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Fortunately, I'm not Paul...
But, here is my 2c. Your points are correct. Although, if you are thinking of ring games, that might explain the difference.
My FL-see aggr for Turbo sng is 2.81, which is comfortable and successful for me, but is too low. I could stand to push the envelope a bit (lot) more, just as Paul suggests.
It is a complex proposition, just as your analysis indicates. But, losing a few is OK. Because, with the higher number of attempts, the net profit will still be greater.
But as you point out, you would need to be cognizant of your table image, and make the necessary adjustments as required.
Aggression is the name of the game. Learning how to profitably control and focus the aggression is the challenge. So, at various stages of one's development some things will work and others will backfire. But, just because it does not presently work does not mean that it should not be a goal.
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Although I haven't played tournaments for around 7 months, here are my stats before I switched to cash.
Tournaments - Full
VP$IP: 17.57
PF-Raise: 9.79
(FL-See) Aggr: 4.28
Fl-aggr: 5.02
TU-aggr: 3.94
RI-aggr: 3.68
PF-Cold Call: 7.91
Steal blind attempt: 35.93
Fold SB to Steal: 66.06
Fold BB to Steal: 78.15
(FL-See) Win: 46.05
(FL-See) SD-SEE: 32.66
W$SD: 55.30
After all my cash game experience, I would now work hard on lowering my fl see-sd see but that is the only thing I would change. Playing this style was very good to me and I was ranked in the top 8% of players at FT according to OPR. These stats come from mostly 45 player SNG's
PS. Do not try to play this style in cash games, you will get eaten alive.
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Thanks for all the feedback.
To answer one implied question Paul...I would classify myself as a beginner - only been playing since the end of January.
I've been reading a lot of different things and since the majority of my play has been SNG's and all of the "advice" I read is that the objective is to survive through till the blinds get up to the 50/100 or higher range to change from playing only group 1 hands to opening up the game.
My biggest challenge is early in the SNG's with playable hands, small pairs or KQs on how to play them in position.
Since there are usually a lot of really loose players early on, it doesn't seem to make sense to raise these pots, as some idiot re-raises with 84os so I relegated to either limp or fold on these hands...and if I don't hit fold, but I agree I need to FOLD more often instead of staying in pots where the pot odds are good without raising.
Thanks again - now let's see if I can put any of this to use!
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Survive until you make the money, then really open up. Just a basic concept. Of course, there are many variables depending on STT vs MTT.
100 bb is meaningless (for you). It is your Mzone that figures most prominately throughout, and most often dictates your gears.
Limping in position is good. It is as close as you can usually get to small-ball tactics in a smallish stack sng.
Good Luck
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Copyright 2009 R. Steve McCollum
